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wraithfodder ([personal profile] wraithfodder) wrote2008-06-16 06:01 pm

Jason Momoa featured in TV Guide (includes PHOTO)

Jason Momoa of Stargate Atlantis is featured on page 10 of the U.S. June 23rd TV GUIDE on 'top 10 breaking news.' However, most of us know that Jason .... oh, hmm, just in case, under the cut!

Yes, he cut his dreads but his head and neck were hurting from the weight of the dreads. He added that all that hair kept him from wearing a bike helmet and kept ruining his balance on a surfboard. Eek! but SciFi execs didn't want him to cut it so now he's got a wig.

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[personal profile] sholio 2008-06-18 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
I am talking about a hairstyle (and not a culture or a race or a color).

NO.

Many people in this discussion have pointed out that dreadlocks are usually worn by, and strongly associated with, people of color.

They are STRONGLY associated with a culture, race and color.

Regardless of what you meant, regardless of what traits you originally meant to compare between the two, when you make or condone comments such as "Dreadlocks look exotic" or "Dreadlocks make Ronon Dex look non-human" these comments reflect on people in real life who wear dreadlocks. AND YOU ARE STILL DOING IT, no matter how many times it's pointed out to you.

by tv/movie hair design standards, his *character* would not look as alien

TV/movie design standards which are essentially set by privileged people and reflect the standards of the dominant, white culture, and in turn influence how people with those hairstyles or physical qualities are treated in real life.

It wasn't any less offensive when the Predator film designers did it. Excusing an offensive action because someone else got away with an offensive action somewhere else doesn't make it any less offensive.
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ok still apparently not done. on the topic of keith hamilton cobb...

[identity profile] delux-vivens.livejournal.com 2008-06-18 04:18 am (UTC)(link)
He had been growing his hair in locs for over ten years before he appeared on Andromeda. Q and A about his hair is archived here from his previous website (http://web.archive.org/web/20020804001228/keithhamiltoncobb.com/faq.htm).
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Re: ok still apparently not done. on the topic of keith hamilton cobb...

[personal profile] sholio 2008-06-18 04:31 am (UTC)(link)
*KHC geekout alert!* I actually still think of Keith Hamilton Cobb as Noah on All My Children, which is where I first saw him (and, er, kinda fell for him a little bit) when I was in high school. And he had the locs then. I've wanted to see Andromeda ever since I found out awhile back that he was in it. Between one thing and another (and having been told by several people that the show was hilariously awful) I haven't watched it yet, though.

Re: ok still apparently not done. on the topic of keith hamilton cobb...

[identity profile] effervescent.livejournal.com 2008-06-18 04:49 am (UTC)(link)
-hijack-

NOAH! God, I loved him. Hee! I totally forgot that he was on Andromeda. -/hijack-
Edited 2008-06-18 04:51 (UTC)
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Re: ok still apparently not done. on the topic of keith hamilton cobb...

[personal profile] sholio 2008-06-18 05:02 am (UTC)(link)
*continues to hijack* Noah/scarred!Julia FTW! I miss early!90s!AMC. (Hmm, I just realized Noah/Julia was that rarest of rare things, a PoC/PoC interracial relationship. Though I don't think Sydney Penny was Hispanic in real life, but she played it on TV...)

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[identity profile] effervescent.livejournal.com 2008-06-18 03:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Totally FTW!!! I think they're still one of my favourite couples, though for ages I adored Edmund and Mari and Ryan and Greenlee.

Wiki says that she's part Cherokee, evidently - which I had no idea about. But yeah, totally rare - the only other one I can think of off the top of my head is Cristina/Burke on Grey's Anatomy.
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[identity profile] effervescent.livejournal.com 2008-06-19 04:03 am (UTC)(link)
Just communicating the fact that I didn't know that :) We'd just been talking about how she played a Hispanic on AMC.
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Re: ok still apparently not done. on the topic of keith hamilton cobb...

[identity profile] delux-vivens.livejournal.com 2008-06-19 04:12 am (UTC)(link)
oh no prob. i just meant that there are a lot of them. *points to icon*

[identity profile] fractalreality.livejournal.com 2008-06-18 07:08 am (UTC)(link)
TV/movie design standards which are essentially set by privileged people and reflect the standards of the dominant, white culture, and in turn influence how people with those hairstyles or physical qualities are treated in real life.

It wasn't any less offensive when the Predator film designers did it. Excusing an offensive action because someone else got away with an offensive action somewhere else doesn't make it any less offensive.


Actually, in this case, I think Sci Fi just realised the monetary branding potential of Ronon's look (I have a sneaking suspicion Joe Flanigan wouldn't be allowed to change his look either; you have to have permission to get a hair cut these days...)

For me, the fact they didn't want him to have them in the first place speaks more about their prejudices and opinions.

But I don't disagree with you; the majority of shows are hugely discriminatory - subconsciously or no - because of the ingrained prejudices of the middle-aged, middle-class white men pullnig the strings.

[identity profile] sgatlantislight.livejournal.com 2008-06-18 06:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I have a sneaking suspicion Joe Flanigan wouldn't be allowed to change his look either; you have to have permission to get a hair cut these days...

Actually, Flanigan was offered the chance to get to fly in an Air Force jet of some sort (I don't remember now) if he'd cut his hair to regulation length. He was all for it, but had the idea nixed by TPTB. So, yeah, it's not just Momoa.

And given that it was Momoa who wanted the character to have dreads in the first place, you can't exactly claim TPTB decided dreads were equivalent to "alien" and "dangerous", at least to start with, though it may be the case now.

Which says nothing about members of fandom regarding a perfectly normal human hairstyle as alien, non-human, or dangerous.

As an aside, I always figured Teyla's wig was an attempt to make her more exotic, set her apart as not being from standard Earth genetic lines because while she had dark skin, it was not accompanied by "typical" dark and possibly kinky hair as it would be on Earth, suggesting that in the Pegasus, dark skin pigment isn't always accompanied by dark hair. I'm not sure how to feel about this.