My memories of Kung Fu and David Carradine

[wraithfodder]

Wrote this back a couple months ago but kept not getting around to posting it….

Back before Stargate SG-1 or Stargate Atlantis, I was a big fan of the series Kung Fu: The Legend Continues (aka KFTLC), the sequel to old ABC series Kung Fu, which oddly enough, I never watched. Best of all, I found out a friend was working on the series, so I was able to visit the set a few times in Toronto (if I’d lived locally, I would have fetched ‘em coffee for free!). This was pre-internet, basically, when lists to discuss TV shows were on listervs (usually at a college) and Yahoo and OneList and eGroups, etc. etc. did not exist. Oh yeah, and cable TV was sorta new, too. ;)

With David Carradine’s untimely passing (really, at 72, too young and he was too busy hell-raising to kill himself and well, guess we’ll just wait for the final results, but the common thought of how he died (not ninjas, etc.) is probably right – he did what he wanted.)

Anyway, I visited the set a few times over the years, amassing oddball souvenirs, but better memories, really, of meeting folk. I have a few Xerox boxes full of original colored scripts. The best ones are the ones that I got signed at the Fu Fest conventions, which were limited to about 125 attendees, so they were small and intimate and just loads of fun. David Carradine attended the last one, I believe. As I recall, there were two Fu Fests at the Valhalla hotel out near Toronto’s airport. Third con almost happened but got axed with the SARS scare. KFTLC meanwhile, filmed in Mississauga, just outside of Toronto, in a huge warehouse owned or rented by Warner Brothers. Once KFTLC got the axe, La Femme Nikita moved in. Sigh. Darn.

Because I was a friend of crew, nobody seemed to mind if me (or friends when they came with me) roamed the set unattended. We even got to eat in the commissary! One of my favorite memories is from what I think was my first visit. Anyway, we were instructed not to approach/talk to David Carradine unless he talked to you first. However, since I was more interested in other cast, and just seeing my friend, it was no problem. Anyway, me and my friends were sitting in the empty commissary (which had this fantastic dragon painted on the wall behind where the food was served) and there was one piece of chocolate cake left. We weren’t fools, so we didn’t touch it. But, the director (Zale Daden, I think) on the current episode came in and took it, then left. (I’d bumped into him earlier during my wanderings and he didn’t look like a director – shorts, bandana – I thought he was crew. Anyway, we talked briefly about something, then I asked what he did and he said who he was and then he asked who I was, so putting foot I mouth, I said “I’m part of the viewing public that keeps you employed.” Silence for a second, then he laughed. So, wasn’t tossed out!). But back to the commissary. All the food is gone, and then about ten minutes later, in strides Carradine. Not walks, strides, big steps. The extra we’d been chatting to goes “Look, it’s Mr. David ‘Kung Fu’ Carradine’! really loud. We cringe as Carradine’s eyes swivel and stare at us like we’re bugs, but then goes and find the cake empty and I think (I gotta find my travel log) he asks rather loudly where the food is and I think I said the director took the last piece of cake. Anyway, he left and we got to stay. It was sorta surreal. Apparently he was often late for food.

Apparently several of my visits tended to coincide with his drinking days but I never saw anything on set. I do remember watching them film a scene, which was going along swimmingly until someone elsewhere in the warehouse dropped something, making a loud noise, and the scene got ruined. Carradine got out a big portable phone (cellphones weren’t really in creation then) and called up Warner Brothers, and got a bit peeved when he got a busy signal. I did my best not to laugh myself silly as I thought it was ridiculous for them to know HE was calling. A crew person muttered “oh, he’s in a good mood today.”

I never did talk with Carradine, or Chris Potter (whom I really wanted to see, but got to talk with him at length years later at a celebrity hockey game in Philadelphia). However, did see Robert Lansing. Alas, it was probably a couple months before he passed away from cancer, and it showed on him. I used to watch him all the time on Twelve O’Clock High. Chatted with guest stars. Had really fun time talking with James Purcell, whom nobody may know, who’d been in shows like War of the Worlds, etc. and we chatted about that and (and * gasp *) bootlegged videotapes. But I think I talked more with crew, and crew ARE fun to talk to. They know a lot, and they’re all down to earth folk.

Oh, at one point in the hallway, they had all the show’s wardrobe on a rack. On it was Caine’s fantastically gorgeous green silk kung fu type outfit. Ohmygod, it was Beautiful, yes, with a capital “B”. The wardrobe lady came by and I asked where I could get one but it was hand-made for Carradine. She let me touch it (and no, I’m won’t waffle about DNA or anything but it was so silky, cuz, well, it was silk). One of my best memories. I’d have killed to have taken that home, hung it on the door and just stared at it…

Other stuff I remember. Visited one time, and well, darn, the crew was off on location filming, but this meant I could roam the entire warehouse, make noise, etc. Out of curiosity, I opened doors and drawers (most doors lead to brick walls, I swear). I was in Peter Caine’s (Chris Potter’s character) apartment, checking out the bathroom. The bathtub was chockfull of dirty bootprints. Apparently actors wore boots in those scenes so they don’t slip. Anyway, I hear my friend yell out ‘where are you?’ and I yell back “in Peter’s bathroom.” A beat, then “it doesn’t work, you know.” Bwahahaha! Yes, fortunately I’m smart enough to know that.

Also, in one part of the warehouse the assistant director or someone like that was tied to a chair, in the Ancient’s (played by the now late Kim Chan) black outfit and there were cobwebs and spiders all over him. They needed to do a new shot, didn’t need a face, so grabbed whoever could fit the outfit! I was watching it, and when they finished filming, they had to collect all the spiders. So, nothing else to do, I started to help. Five minutes later, someone turns to me and goes “who are you?” and I told them and they went ‘okay’ and we ‘wrangled’ spiders for another ten or so minutes (which meant steering spiders into little glass vials). Out of 50, only a dozen or so were unaccounted for, having scurried off into the depths of the warehouse or, alas, gotten underfoot. The rest were released outside unharmed.

Oh, you know the line-up thing in the police station? 5’ 6’ etc.? It is not accurate, so everybody looks like they’re six feet tall or more! I also got to see Nicky Elder’s (the coroner’s office). Alas, never saw David Hewlett on the set (darn darn DARN) but did find out what was in all the jars in the morgue. Food stuff from Chinatown! Guess it can look pretty gruesome if left to simmer in a jar for months…

What else? Let’s see, well, when the show closed down, I was allowed to collect this and that. I have Chris Potter’s name plate off his door. Chris pried it off for me with a screwdriver. Not Chris Potter, but a nice crew guy named Chris. I have it here somewhere, along with a whole bunch of photos I took over the visits. Otherwise, I never really gathered much more than scripts, which I assembled and read, and some burned up candles. Ah, they bring back memories. When a friend and I visited the set, there wasn’t much to do, and we volunteered (“look, free labor!”) to help scrape wax. So we scraped was. Alas, we weren’t allowed to light the candles as for that, they used a torch for mass lighting. I did manage to wrangle the gorgeous oil painting of Caine, which my friend held in his house for a year until the next Fu Fest (last one, I think) and it sold at the charity auction for about $2,000. Otherwise, a lot of stuff like that just got trashed. I also managed to buy a Kung Fu season 4 suede jacket. Still have it. Definitely a winter jacket due to weight and warmth.

One time I was watching them film on location in Chinatown (Toronto) and they were filming inside a travel agency. I went inside during a break, where I ran into Nigel Bennett (from Forever Knight) who was very friendly and fun to talk to. I noticed Cuba travel posters on the wall and went ‘hey, we US folk can’t travel there” to which one crew guy said “see, told you so” to another who said “it won’t be in focus”. It was rather amusing.

What else? Was sitting around watching a scene being filmed in the studio. They went on break. Someone came around with a tray of like slurpees and gave me one, then a few minutes later, I found out, oops, that was meant for someone else. Too late. I already drank it. Luckily, no one was the wiser!

I have lots of fun memories from those days. The Fu set was, from what I recall, a laid-back, fun place to work. I’d also visited the Due South set twice, and on the first visit, it was pretty good, but on the second visit, well, I have no idea what happened (nothing to do with me) but people seemed very antsy. And yes, on my first visit I met a lot of cast, including Paul Gross, who walked right up to me (like six inches), reached behind me and grabbed a cellphone on the file cabinet I was leaning on. Of course, I just stared at him like a guppy out of water. Didn’t get to meet David Marciano (not til a convention later) but did see the dog, whom I pointed out to someone was running around a scene with a label accidentally stuck on his butt. They had to reshoot. The director there was nice, took pity on me and my friend and let us be in a scene as extras. I didn’t make it, but my friend is a red blur in the background in one scene.

Anyway, back to the David Carradine stuff. I had a fun time going through my old KFTLC tapes, realizing how much fun TV was before everybody had a cellphone. No one could call for help. Great for drama! Am missing one episode “Ancient Love” but hope to find it one day.

And as for Chris Potter, like I said, I met him years later at a celebrity hockey game in Philadelphia. Richard Dean Anderson was also there, but didn’t play as he’d done something to his knee (skiing?) and basically did not mingle with fans, although I did manage to get an autograph afterwards. And Lochlyn Munro, who does a lot of TV these days. But back to Chris. He got run over on the ice by the pro hockey players and dragged off, but stayed up late that night with others partying in the atrium (they had a piano, alas). The next morning we’re leaving and the elevator opens and there is Chris, looking like he’d well, he’d been run over on the ice and stayed up too late ;) We got in the elevator, said hi, I think he said hi but when we got to the bottom, my friend decided to help him with his luggage (he had a lot). I remember he roled his eyes like ‘oh god, fans!’ but all she did was take it to the checkout and we left him alone. When he got up there, the desk clerk brought out this HUGE basket with stuffed bunnies in it. We laughed, he looked over at us and we said “we just want to see how you’re going to pack all that!” He smiled, said he had to bring the toys home as his daughters expected it ;) and left the basket behind. Later, we ran into him and he offered to buy us coffee (nice guy!) and then we chatted for like half an hour about KFTLC and other stuff.


Back to Carradine…

Some obituaries (most come with photo galleries and/or videos). I’m not listing any of the trash like NY Post (a newspaper which isn’t even fit for bird cage liner).

http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-david-carradine5-2009jun05,0,644033.story

The Yin-Yang of David Carradine
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-carradine5-2009jun05,0,5358019.story

Back to the Aero
(report on a contentious viewing of BOUND FOR GLORY)
http://www.hollywood-elsewhere.com/2009/03/back_to_the_aer.php

http://sfstategatorbuzz.wordpress.com/2009/06/04/goodbye-david-carradine/

David Carradine: still punchy after all these years
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/the_big_picture/2009/03/david-carradine.html

Carradine’s death follows Zen-like turnabout
http://blog.taragana.com/e/2009/06/05/carradines-death-follows-actors-zen-like-turnabout-after-early-life-of-hard-living-7334/

'Kung Fu' Star Later Became Tarantino's Villainous 'Bill'
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/04/AR2009060402049.html

Victoria cast and crew of G.O.D. recall 'Mr. Carradine' as shy, kind professional
http://www.timescolonist.com/Victoria+cast+crew+recall+Carradine+kind+professional/1712311/story.html

And that’s it.

Oh wait, a photo I took. Never could figure out what the stuff on Carradine’s door meant.




.

Comments

[piplover.livejournal.com]

I really used to love watching KFTLC. After I became hooked, I found the original and fell in love with that, as well. I think it's amazing that you had so many wonderful experiences on set. What great memories, and thank you for sharing them with us. I still have several tapes with both series of Kung Fu, and DVDs of the entire series of KFTLC.

You are so right about the stories being more interesting without cell phones. That and DNA was just starting to come into the picture, so no sudden answers and no computer doing all the work. Oh, Kermit, how we loved your hacking and green glasses.

[cannellfan.livejournal.com]

Marvelous recollections, Elyse. I'm glad you had the opportunity to experience the set so many times, and that it was as "open" to you as it sounds like it was.

Thanks for sharing! You brought back some good memories for me, too...

[timespirt.livejournal.com]

Hey,

I was up in Toronto for 2 of the Fu Fests and I was at the Hockey Game as well. We came down in the elevator with Robin Thick, who was so full of himself he wouldn't even push the down button that was right in front of him. I had to put my stuff down and move around him and push the button. He just put on his sun glasses.

RDA had just had surgery on his knee not long before that game and was still recuperating. I met him in the lobby, but he was on his way out the door for dinner.

All the other Celebes at the party were very nice and happy to sign stuff. One of the Fu Fests I went to was a tour of the set while the cast and crew was on vacation, but it was great; loved the Temple set.

I met David Hewlett (think it was the last one, almost all the cast came to that one accept Chris) on one of those Fests. I have a picture of him which I wanted to show to his sister when I met her in Jersey at the SG-1/SGA con. But I forgot to bring it.

I never met Chris at any of the Fu Fests, only at the hockey game. I met David at one of them though and bought his book to get signed. I have great memories and lots of pictures from them. Kim Chan was a doll and I’m glad that I had the chance to meet him.

I probably ran into you at one or all of them?

[l-jade.livejournal.com]

This is interesting, thank you!

I think I've watched all episode KFTLC that shown in my country, and I always wondered why I don't see Chris Potter in other TV series, I thought he's good looking & can act too. At the time there's no wikipedia/imdb for me..
It sure is a fun series to watch... Carradine did that smack at the head thing, that Gibbs does now to Dinozzo in NCIS, I always reminded that to KFTLC.

David Carradine by wraithfodder

[watcher652.livejournal.com]

Hey, I was at that celebrity hockey game too! What are the odds of us finding each other on LJ? I was disappointed that RDA didn't skate because of his then recent knee surgery. I only remember Chris Potter and Jason Hervey from the Wonder Years at the game. I had awful seats and everyone was teeny tiny to me.

A bunch of Robert Duncan McNeill (ST:Voy) fans had a get together with Robbie at Toronto Trek one year. There was a charity auction with a lot of KFTLC stuff that the show donated after it shut down. I won a vest that supposedly was David Carradine's. I saw him at a NJ Chiller convention and tried to have him vouch for it. He didn't know for sure, but he said he might have worn it. It's just a generic vest, so it's hard to tell.

I found Carradine to be rather odd. Kinda spacey. I can't remember anything specific now except the second time I saw him, he was reading a magazine. I know he saw me so I thought I'd let him finish the paragraph. Instead, he kept me waiting and finished the article. I supposed I should have gotten his attention more overtly, but he was kind of intimidating and I think he was testing me to see what I would do. And I thought I'd see what he'd do, so it was mind games all around. 8^D

I'd love to meet Chris Potter in person some day.

[delcamy.livejournal.com]

Ah, this reminds me of my trips to Toronto for 2 E:FC (Earth: Final Conflict cons). Flipping AMAZING! Thanks for in a roundabout way for reawaking the memories of thems for me.

[katikat.livejournal.com]

I loved KF:TLC - but I prefer not to dig stuff about the main actors. From what I read, they were rather... snobbish, just from what I heard about Chris Potter on the set of QaF, and I would not want to ruin my favorite show :)

It's too bad that KF:TLC isn't out on DVD :( It was one of those shows that get better with every season.

[aelfgyfu_mead]

Wow! What a lot of great memories!

[immertreu.livejournal.com]

Thanks for this long report! :) As you know, I'm a KFTLC and Chris Potter fan. Any chance you could upload some more photos from the set?

We KFTLC fans have a home at www.cpfan.com and http://fudragon.fu.funpic.de (the bilingual sites share one message board in English and German). Maybe some of you want to join us there? We're always happy to meet new (or old ;) ) fans.

[nakedwesley.livejournal.com]

I didn't start watching KFTLC until after I'd heard of David Hewlett, and still haven't seen the whole thing, but I really enjoyed what I've seen so far. Sounds like you had an amazing time visiting the set!

I've attempted to upload the episode you're missing. I used HJSplit to split the file into 4 parts, as it's over 900MB total. Download them into the same file and you should be able to put them together again. Let me know if you have any problems. I'm not sure part two uploaded correctly.

part 1: hxxp://www.megaupload.com/?d=638U0VTC
part 2: hxxp://www.megaupload.com/?d=00X8ENN9
part 3: hxxp://www.megaupload.com/?d=M62YRZ84
part 4: hxxp://www.megaupload.com/?d=AF2K6PEE

[strange-magic.livejournal.com]

It's cool that you have those memories to look back on. I kinda feel the same way when I think about the time I met most of the Saturday Night Live cast. Those are truly experiences you never forget. :)

[archersangel.livejournal.com]

that was a great post! such wonderful memories!

BTW i think the thing on his door means that he might agree to something, but it's up to his wife/girlfriend if he gets to do it

[lost-sheep-2.livejournal.com]

Thank you so much for sharing your memories :)

And thanks for visiting my journal :)