Meta: Whither Stargate Atlantis??
Nov. 23rd, 2006 07:32 pmMy take on the upcoming changes in Stargate Atlantis.
Okay, the rest of this contains spoiler information, so if you’re a spoilerphobe, don’t want to know about who’s in, who’s out, depart now….
Okay, I’ll admit I wasn’t even a fan of Atlantis when it was first proposed, mainly because of the Stargate SG-1 writers involved. The Mallozzi-Mullie ‘regime’ hasn’t impressed me overall. I usually will watch all episodes of SG without reading the credits of who wrote it; ignore it in spoiler info, etc. and then when I’m done watching an episode and go “geez, they ripped off another movie?” and then go to the credits to see who did it, most times it’s Mallozzi, so, no, I’m not a fan of his style. He’s done some good ones, but he’s done too many “yech” ones for my taste.
But back to Atlantis. I became a fan off the pilot “Rising” – because of the chemistry between all the characters/actors. I also gave it a chance because I’ve liked David Hewlett’s work since his days as Nicky the cute coroner in Kung Fu: The Legend Continues. The series has had its ups and downs. There are episodes I absolutely love, others I cringe at, yet I won’t erase any.
When word came down the pike that Rainbow Sun Franks was leaving (and it’s always been said by TPTB, etc. that the decision was mutual although I’m sure if was the more the producers than anyone), it didn’t bother me too much as the writers hadn’t developed the character, and for a Marine lieutenant, he drove me nuts with how he didn’t handle some situations (which falls back to the writers, who have probably never met a Marine). I mean, I know zip about Ford, except he had a grandmother, otherwise, he was very underdeveloped.
The character of Ronon Dex was very similar to the dreadlocked guy in the defunct Andromeda series. I was very leery of the casting process, but I did watch “Runner” and was impressed with Jason Momoa’s portrayal, although have hopes he’ll get more dialogue as time goes by.
I LIKE the cast of Stargate Atlantis. I like the Sheppard-McKay banter, which we finally got back in season 3 after losing its during “secondseasonitis” when the TPTB decided to ‘experiment’ (sigh). The show’s not perfect, it needs work, but it’s a solid base to work with but TPTB don’t shore up the writing, they keep screwing around with the cast….
Paul McGillion is leaving. CONFIRMED Half true. The rumors came out months ago, with some folk leaving tidbits on Gateworld that Beckett gets snuffed and then departed to let fandom immolate (if you’re going to do that, at least stick around to say “no comment”). I like Beckett, and don’t see why they’re ditching him unless it's one of those lame things where they're adding an actress to draw in the male 18-25 demographic.... According to producer N. John Smith, who dropped the news to a fan at a UK con a few weeks back, yes, McGillion will not be in the main credits anymore, but will be (really) demoted down to recurring status of some kind and make some future appearances (hopefully not in the same vein as Rainbow Sun Franks). Carson’s not dead but ‘disappears.’ If he’s not on screen, Carson fans won’t be happy. That’s like telling someone, “oh, your pet’s missing, but not dead, so don’t worry, he'll show up eventually.” Scifi fans are notorious for being very devoted to their shows, as the producers really should know by now.
Jewel Staite is joining the cast.CONFIRMED Jewel posted this information on her site – http://jewel-staite.net/ - and it came out two months ago (links: http://fan-elune.livejournal.com/143454.html - http://sg1-atlantis.com/?p=501 - . A fan at a UK convention said that Joe Flanigan reportedly said she’d be doing 13-15 episodes, but an MGM casting person (the people who deal with the contracts) confirmed Jewel is contracted to 12 episodes, and those episodes depend upon how the character works out. Could be more, could be less. Viewer reaction, etc. will determine the longevity of Dr. Keller, her character (and she told me the name face to face at a con, so, that name isn’t rumor). I don’t hate or dislike the actress, but never got into Firefly and really haven't seen her in much else.The biggest problem that could occur is that the producers/writers will introduce this character into the show and that Keller will immediately just ‘gell’ with the rest of the characters, which realistically, doesn’t even happen in an office situation. Everybody sorta feels each other out. Having seen the writers drop the ball on killing Daniel and introducing Jonas in the same episode, I don’t know if I can give this writing staff any faith in doing this properly. Plus, will this character just be a replacement expert in genetic stuff like Carson? Hopefully not. But, just want to know: why is Beckett being removed?
Amanda Tapping is joining the cast. SORTA CONFIRMED. She’s confirmed she’ll be in either a couple or a few episodes. It depends upon which fan you talk to who said that AT said “couple” or “few” at a recent con and whether the producers will change their mind and add or decrease episodes. SG1 had ten years, a full decade, of time on the screen. Which as we all know is basically a record, so in some respects it wasn’t a no-brainer that SciFi pulled the plug due to declining rates and rising costs, although the manner and timing in which they did it was, well, sucky. Anyway, I always loved McKay when he showed up those couple times on SG1, before SGA even came around. It was the short but sweet, snarky and never-to-be-fulfilled sexual lust on Rodney’s part and Sam’s total repulsion that was so amusing. To bring Sam over to SGA for more than a couple episodes – do I have faith that the writers still won’t go that route? Um, no. I haven’t been totally impressed with Sam’s evolution on SG1 in recent seasons, but I still like the character, but I just don’t want to see one character from SG1 come over, then another, then another, till it’s a guest star revolving door (we already had Woolsey and Jack in Return part 1 and 2 and they mostly just sat around, no joke!). The thing is – I want Stargate ATLANTIS, not SG-1. It reminds me of how cast members from one Trek (cancelled) went over to another, and characters on the newer show got ‘wallpapered’ for lack of a better description, due to bringing over the other characters.
Michael Beach joining the cast. PSUEDO CONFIRMED. This LJ - http://athenaktt.livejournal.com/231502.html?view=1423182#t1423182 - has a good account of the entire Burbank con and where I supposed a chunk of stuff came from. Apparently Michael Beach (of ER fame) will be in at least one episode (had four pages of dialogue). Fans theorize he might be the captain on the new ship Apollo (what? A BSG reference??) as Mitch Pileggi is pretty busy acting wise and may not be as available as the show would like (he’s doing Daybreak on ABC). NOV 27th UPDATE: Michael Beach will be playing a one-shot (thus far) character in the season 3 finale episode. He'll be the commander of the Odyssey (another Earth-based spaceship). The script sides (which many fans have gotten their hands on) state that this character might be recurring.
Torri Higginson will not be back. NOT CONFIRMED. I’ve heard this rumor from a couple sources, one of them non-fan but in the ‘business.’ Apparently though Torri said on an online site (sorry, don’t have it) that she was going back to Vancouver for season 4. So far, there’s no way to prove/disprove this rumor.
CONCLUSION
Sure, the fans are gonna react to these rumors. They always tend to pop up during that dead time SciFi saddles us with between ‘seasons.’ The Daniel is dead rumor was true; the Janet is dead rumor was true, so, many rumors with SG tend to pan out, so fans do get nervous. Scifi fans love their shows (but probably not to the extreme of soap opera fans). Yeah, the rumors will get discussed to death on the boards cuz there are no new episodes (unless you live in Canada). However, there will be a few fans who are whacko, the ones who need to get a reality adjustment (like that fan who coined the derogatory term “Dannyranter” and applied it to anyone who said they liked Daniel Jackson) and they’ll be the ones who end up attacking other fans for not agreeing with them. We can all discuss, sometimes heatedly, but without coming to virtual blows. Some fans just can’t. Keep wondering how they behave off the net! ;)
I like the cast as it stands – don’t want to see it changed again, evolved, improved, or whatever term the network marketing folks will spin (please, please, do not use the word ‘fresh’) When network people start to meddle with shows, 9 times out of 10 they go downhill. SG-1 stayed solid for a long while on Showtime, which is a rarity these days, but once it went to Scifi the cast began to change – but in virtually all those instances, Michael Shanks voluntarily left, Richard Dean Anderson voluntarily left. In this case, Paul McGillion doesn’t seem pleased with the situation (what actor would be?).
If I want to watch SG1, I’ve got it all on DVD. I want to watch Atlantis. I want to watch it grow, or sink, on its own merits, and not be forced (by producers, whoever) to constantly accept actors, re-treaded plots, etc. from SG1.
Um, okay, psuedo-not-really-rant over. Just getting it out of my system.
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Date: 2006-11-23 11:46 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2006-11-24 12:21 am (UTC)I was bummed that SG-1 was being cancelled. But I was just as much bummed for SGA because I believe SG-1's demise will also spell the downfall of SGA--both ratingswise and storywise. I guess we just have to enjoy what we have for as long as we can have it. And then move on.
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Date: 2006-11-24 12:29 am (UTC)Actually, they try to appeal to 13-year-old boys ;) They rip off movie plots and call them 'homages.' Ick.
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Date: 2006-11-24 01:32 am (UTC)Well, hopefully the M&M move is an unfounded rumor, but I could swear it was something semi-official.
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Date: 2006-11-24 01:38 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-11-24 01:42 am (UTC)"On Saturday when he first came on before he took questions he made a point of talking about what a wonderful experience working on the show has been. I thought it sounded very valedictory, but I still wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be a Fire and Water type situation.
Oh and apparently the Chocolate Drops are moving over to Atlantis. I think Paul McG said they'd be showrunning.
Jay"
Post # 85 clarifies that "Chocolate Drops" means M&M.
Believe me, I HOPE this is totally incorrect!
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Date: 2006-11-24 02:07 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-11-24 02:25 am (UTC)I love Sam, woulnd't mind if her part is like in McKay & Mrs Miller, but to be full time in Atlantis plus all this casts change ? UGH! I have watched Return pt 2, and the end-scene where Weir hugged Jack, and Jack said to take Carter next time, I just hope that's not mean Carter would replace Weir.
With the cancellation of SG-1, I'm pretty sure the rating for SGA would be down next season, since some SG-1 fans don't really follow SGA, but this cast changing would make the rating even lower.
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Date: 2006-11-24 02:29 am (UTC)I hope they don't hurt the show by changing it.
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Date: 2006-11-24 02:37 am (UTC)I wasn't happy with the part 2 of RETURN either; the ending was empty and oddly, devoid of what makes SGA fun to watch.
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Date: 2006-11-24 02:38 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-11-24 02:44 am (UTC)Yeah, I always dread the changes TPTB make. So very often they're so very stupid.
And I would have been happy to have (ah, what's her name?) Paula Cassidy from NCIS as Dr. Weir, but I've grown to like Torri.
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Date: 2006-11-24 03:11 am (UTC)TPTB sometimes don't think intelligently when they make certain changes; they go "we need *this* to draw in such and such a demographic." Can't recall Paula Cassidy (was she the one they shot in the head?) but like you, I've grown to like Torri as Weir and hope she stays and hope the writers develop her properly.
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Date: 2006-11-24 03:32 am (UTC)Personally, the worst part about this for me is that I just feel totally appathetic about the show now. I was re-watching Poisoning the Well the other day. That's the episode made Carson my favorite character, instead of just liking him. It's one of my my favorite SGA episodes, but this time I couldn't get into it, knowing what they're doing. I was also looking forward to the second half of season three, but now I really don't care. I'm going to try and keep watching because I like all the other actors on the show too, but it's just not the same.
(And yes, I am aware that it's a tv show and that whatever happens, it's not the end of the world. It will only seem that way. LOL)
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Date: 2006-11-24 04:21 am (UTC)Ah, sigh. Yeah, only a TV show, but my favorite. Now if they bumped off anyone on a CSI show (with the exception of William PEtersen or Gary Sinise), I'd just go "ah, salary dispute" and live with it.
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Date: 2006-11-24 04:59 pm (UTC)Homages, well done are barely noticeable, and 35+ year old males might act like kids but not all the time.
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Date: 2006-11-24 05:07 pm (UTC)It's sad what they're doing to a really good show. All because they think their POV is SO DAMNED COOL. That they aren't able to have some common sense and see that they're destroying a show. Even if the show continues 5 more years... already is not the show I originally fell in love with.
But I keep watching, I keep sending my love for the show and hope that TPTB aren't stupid enough to make so many drastic changes that season 4 ends up being the last one.
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Date: 2006-11-24 05:23 pm (UTC)I just hope in the fourth season that the show i love so much will still be recognisable with the dynamic intact!!
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Date: 2006-11-24 05:40 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2006-11-24 05:57 pm (UTC)I'd love to say, we'll always have the great tean dynamic in fanfic, but... I want it on the show as well.
Think I may actually write Bridge Studios a letter this time around...
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Date: 2006-11-24 07:10 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-11-24 09:24 pm (UTC)When I heard the rumours about Carson bing killed off I wasn't happy and hoped they were just rumours. But at Collectormania at the weekend, the producer N. John Smith started talking about characters being killed in sci-fi shows and started to mention Carson and well my heart sank! We tried to get more info out of Joe Flanigan later on, about whether Carson was being killed off forever and he said he couldn't say.
I haven't heard the rumours about Torri tho - I really hope she isn't leaving. When they give her a descent episode the character is great, like The Real World.
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Date: 2006-11-24 09:33 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-11-24 09:47 pm (UTC)When everyone at the talk on sunday got asked what people thought about SG1 characters moving over to Atlantis I don't think they got the reaction they wanted - most people were really apposed to it. N. John Smith and Joe both seemed shocked that people weren't keen on the idea.
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Date: 2006-11-24 11:50 pm (UTC)I've ranted on list and over at GW, but what it boils down to for me is why are they trying to fix something that isn't broken? I honestly believe the ratings drop is because of Skiffy's idiocy in breaking up their Friday night Trifecta. Following that, it's the writers who aren't able to write capably for the characters. Try getting rid of some faces there. Replacing Carson isn't going to do anything but piss off a good portion of the fanbase--fans who are the reason he was added as a regular in the first place. Do they think so little of us now?
The rest of it is just... meh. I hung on the fringes of fandom for a long time; Carson and Rodney and the team are what's brought me out into it again. And I really, really, really wish I'd stayed in the fringes, because by the time they're done, it's not going to be the show I've fallen in love with.
IF I thought they could pull off a great character arc for Carson, having him face some fallout for his actions and decisions, grow and change and overcome some things? Oh, I'd be all for it. But after ten years of SG1 and two and a half of SGA, I just don't trust them.
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Date: 2006-11-24 11:54 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-11-25 02:32 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-11-25 02:38 pm (UTC)WORD. The TNG/DS9 fiasco with Worf is exactly what came to mind when I first heard that Sg-1 was being cancelled and that AT would be doing some SGA eps. It may be an over reaction (how I hope it is), but it can't be said that there's no precedent for it.
I haven't watched SG-1 regularily in a long time, and there's a reason for it. I don't want my shiny SGA to become it -- whether in terms of cast or the idiocy of producers.
Anyway. Thanks for a good lay out of the issues here.
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Date: 2006-11-25 07:58 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-11-26 12:48 am (UTC)I hope the rumors about Elizabeth are not true, because I love the character and would be so sad to see her go :(
I agree completely about Mallozzi/Mullie. About that rumor: I'm trying to forget that, because I really REALLY REALLY hate the idea. Sad thing is that it might be true, because I read something in an interview to N. John Smith that comes in Starburst #343. He was talking about how there could be some changes in SGA next season depending on who the showrunners would be, since Cooper and Wright would be likely busy doing the SG-1 movies. Smith doesn't say that M&M will be the new SGA showrunners, but doesn't deny it either. He says that Paul Mullie and Joe Mallozzi have been with the shows for years and they know SG-1 and Atlantis very well. They're young and prolific writers that have some fantastic ideas (his words, not mine! LOL). He adds that they have the back up of Martin Gero, along with Carl Binder (he even points out that Binder has previous experience as a showrunner) and Alan McCullogh, who more than likely will be writing some Atlantis scripts (please, no! I think he wrote the worst SG-1 episode I ever seen: Off the Grid).
I'm so glad to hear the reaction they got at the con about SG-1 characters moving to Atlantis!
I've already wrote my emails and letters complaning to SciFi weekly, Bridge Studios, etc. But if people at the conventions are also telling them that most of the fans don't want to see people from SG-1 moving to Atlantis, they might rethink their original idea. If they seemed surprised, it's good. It probably means that they were thinking about making the move because they thought that was what the fans wanted. If they realize that's NOT what the fans want, they might change their plans.
I think it's important that we the fans let TPTB know by snail mail (I've heard that they pay attention more to handwritten letters) that we don't want cast changes, and we don't want SG-1 people moving to Atlantis. The more FB from the fans they get against it, the more likely they'll realize that doing that won't improve their ratings.
I don't watch SG-1 anymore. I watch only SGA, and one of the reasons I stopped watching SG-1 is because I didn't care for none of the SG-1 characters anymore (old and new). I mean NO disrespect to the show and its fans. But I'm NOT an SG-1 fan in any shape or form. I'm not even an occasional viewer of the show anymore. So I don't want anyone from a show I don't like moving to my fave show.
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I've only watched this epi because I knew SGA characters would be appearing there. My only enjoyment of this episode came from those SGA characters.
I didn't like the interaction between the Atlantis and SG-1 characters. I don't think any SG-1 character fits well in Atlantis. And I wanted Rodney to punch all the SG-1 people aboard the ship. They were all jerks. Meh.
Just MHO, no offense intended to SG1 fans.
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Date: 2006-11-26 02:21 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-11-26 02:23 am (UTC)My hope is that Atlantis CAN remain its own separate entity without having so much SG1 put into it that you go, huh?
Glad you enjoyed the post :)
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Date: 2006-11-26 02:28 am (UTC)